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Jo Waller's avatar

Excellent,

I think we know why they must use abnormal monkey cells- they cannot make the effects called 'isolation' by using normal human ones. 'HIV' can only be grown in culture by stressing abnormal cells in a certain way. Kinda says all we need to know.

Jo

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Isaac Middle's avatar

Thanks for taking on this spicy topic. The saying "If you assume it makes an ASS out of U and ME" comes to mind whenever I consider the scientific credentials of our germ inverters. And to assume that deliberately poisoned, dying cell cultures can be analysed in the same way as living cells might be the most grave assumption of our modern era.

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Brian's avatar

In my view it is an extension of the allopathic view. Isolate, concentrate and medicate. What is the 'medicinal ingredient'? Let's isolate it and if possible, patent it. 'Isolate' in this context is the same as the usage of the word 'isolate' in common parlance.

This view was then taken into agriculture, in which they ask, "which minerals are necessary for plant/crop growth?" NPK? Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Potassium. Ok, let's make a fertilizer with those elements, that's all we need. The empty harvest that produces leads to deficiency for those who depend on that food source. This leads to drugs to remedy the situation . . .

Virology turns the word isolate upside down, reminiscent of doublespeak in Orwell's 1984. That gives us a strong clue that it is not what it appears to be.

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

Good points, all. Reminds me of the day "they" finally admitted that gut function was connected to brain function. The correct headline should have been:

"Scientists Discover: The Brain is Connected to the Body!"

Isolating, granulating, sub-setting, etc., it's all camouflage to HIDE the elephant in the room, even as it crushes humanity under foot. And on autopsy, it's the same as chopping the elephant up into thousands of tiny pieces so they'll all fit neatly into suitcases for discrete disposal.

This astounding level of scientific fraud is NOT an "accident".

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Marta Staszak's avatar

This is the best presented argument I've seen, just simple facts and questions.

Great! Thank you.

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

THANK YOU for this insightful data! We really need to stop tearing people up for saying it's not been "isolated". This game has become like a game of Faucism, where the definitions of the words are changed in order to defend narratives. It's sad to see those who purport to want to stop this madness dismissing others who are only pointing directly to the FACTS.

I was frustrated when I saw this happening with the "snake venom" battle. So I looked up the patents and the papers, wanting to get to the bottom of it for myself. And sure enough, I located the "venom" (the active and destructive enzymes and peptides produced BY SNAKES) and confirmed they're inside of the new jabs. And worse, the mRNA is causing the victims to endlessly replicate these neurotoxins, along with the spike proteins. Even more disturbing, (if that's possible) is that there's no "off" switch built into this process. How are we going to turn this new coding OFF at some point? Will we ever be ABLE to do this?

So jabbed people are continuously producing what is essentially snake venom. But this is purportedly "debunked" because it's not sourced directly from snakes;-) I have to wonder if the victims can eventually become desensitized to what their own bodies are producing, to the point unvaccinated people are more immediately sensitive to it than the jabbed people are? Could their sweat glands literally be attempting to excrete the toxins, and so their clothing, bedding, and everything they touch could be a source of exposure for others?

I've begun to notice VERY immediate symptoms after close contact with vaccinated people, but maybe I'm just paranoid. This entire thing is so fully messed up. I find it fascinating that I'm actually HAVING conversations about such things! It's a horror show, and truly the worst one anyone could've cooked up.

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Brian's avatar

That is very interesting about the snake venom. There was a bit too much drama in the way it was presented, I am more interested in what we know than what it implies, as that can get into the weeds rather quickly, especially when other angles like religion enter the story.

I have wondered about an "off" switch on the quackcines as well. Also, what is the effect of repeated quackcination in terms of this foreign protein production? Will it ramp it up or simply keep it going? Articles are now starting to come out that describe these proteins building up in blood vessels in long stringy masses. There could be many other side effects we are only beginning to understand.

I don't see how foreign proteins and enzymes that resemble venom can be of benefit to anyone, but I haven't looked into the reasoning behind it yet. I suspect it is another avenue that allopathic thinking has gone down, which leads towards further problems, not health.

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

"Quackcination" love it!! Got a nice laugh out of that one. Thanks.

So the "reasoning" (justification) for these neurotoxins (bio-identical to snake venom;-) written into the vaccine patents, is that they help to "overcome" (or "bypass") the immune system's natural defenses to the mRNA getting into our cells, where it WILL cause BOTH the spike proteins AND the venom to REPLICATE. The venom is simply a combination of particular peptides, and any "host" who's DNA has been programmed to do so, can create it. Look up "adenosine".

Without the venom, their plot to reprogram our DNA (to reproduce the offending agents) with their messenger RNA, is met with extreme resistance and will fail. So they need to break down the immune system's defenses to this process, in order to have an "effective" method of recoding our DNA. It was fascinating reading the discussion on this process under "benefits", wherein they stated that it was more "cost effective" to grow these pathogens inside of the HUMANS, than to grow them in labs. So, instead of merely exposing us to the pathogen itself, (in order to build "immunity") their plan was to cause us to endlessly replicate the pathogens inside of our bodies, with the idea that this would "maximize long-lasting immunity", and WITHOUT the need for expensive and endless,.......wait for it,....BOOSTER SHOTS!!!

And as these victim's immune systems are being WIPED OUT from the jabs, the Faucism is to call this "waning immunity" and demand they take an unlimited number of booster shots, UNTIL THEY ARE DEAD.

"VAIDS" anyone?

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Brian's avatar

If you haven't yet, you may want to see my post https://genkimanquest.substack.com/p/why-i-call-it-a-quackcine :-)

Bypassing the immune system could be the Gain of Function we hear so much about. It they are using advanced chemistry to try and bypass the immune system, it makes me wonder how an alleged virus would do the same. I am very skeptical about allowing science to use chemicals to bypass systems in the body. Particularly when they are derived from poisons. There is also a distorted relationship with the body, that they want to meddle with chemistry and processes they don't fully understand.

Perhaps the Gain of Function only applies to material that is injected, otherwise the body would identify and deal with it. It could also apply to getting into the cell and inducing replication. I am not certain that this replication is occurring, it could just be the material in the quackcine that is causing the trouble. Otherwise, why do they keep pushing further doses of the quackcine? If one dose were enough to start a process that does not stop or turn off, why the additional doses? It certainly makes sense that as the defenses are weakened, the foreign peptides/proteins would be able to cause more damage.

I would prefer to think that the body is so resilient that it can overcome the damaging foreign materials, as is indicated by the experience with Depo Provera in Africa which was only effective at birth control/sterilization with recurrent injections. The body strives to restore itself.

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

Their freaked out "science" is just their celebration that they've found a very "effective" method of DESTROYING our immune systems, permanently disabling our ability to fight ANYTHING, and turning our bodies against ourselves.

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Brian's avatar

It is a grim paradox that a business that makes products that are supposed to restore people to health actually harms people or at the very least maintains their state of disease all while being one of the most profitable businesses in the world.

Humanity must wake up to the fact that symptom management is not good enough and quackcination does not confer health benefits.

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jazzyj's avatar

Seems like it might be on purpose.

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

Yeah. What was your FIRST clue? ;-)

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Marta Staszak's avatar

I think that incidences of shedding are too numerous to be discarded,

just too many to take it as coincidental imho.

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jazzyj's avatar

Yes, it's possible if the body is making this protein. But is that not an extension of the virus hypothesis, instead of virus we have prion.

I don't know if viruses exist as described, as a pathogen. It makes sense that something excreted from someone can be a type of toxin to another via sweat, or breath, or other body fluids.

But there would need to be some actual science done to prove it.

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

Key words: ACTUAL science;-) We have not had any yet. All we see is a massive coverup of the vaccine injuries and deaths.

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

Yep. And the FACT that the Pfizer data dumps AND the vaccine patents actually BRAG about the secondary spread via shedding, pretty much finishes this debate;-)

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jazzyj's avatar

I didn't read that...I will have to look at that data.

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Jo Waller's avatar

It would be fine to use abnormal cells if the controls they used also treated the cells in the same way, ie added cytotoxic antibiotics and starved the culture, but they don't. According to basic school girl lessons and the scientific method any effects seen and any subsequent experiments must be completely disregarded if appropriate controls are not used.

Jo

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jazzyj's avatar

Has any virologist answered these questions? I have more about the genetic sequencing. I've read some say that the pieces of RNA have a pattern. Doesn't provide a cause, but may prove correlation to some common exposure?

What are all the pieces of RNA and DNA being sold as viruses? What about plant viruses and megaviruses? Have those been isolated and purified?

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Brian's avatar

This is the problem the virus skeptic movement is addressing. So many assumptions are being made in virology that it doesn't qualify as a science.

They are not finding viruses intact, they are finding pieces and then assembling those pieces into what they say are viruses, yet no such fully intact particle of their assembled version has been found in any plant, animal or human. They say the science is 'well established', yet when pressed, are unable to produce a peer reviewed paper that adheres to the scientific method and demonstrates the existence of such a particle.

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jazzyj's avatar

What are your thoughts of the gain of function labs? We hear about them and people do work in these labs and other virology labs. Someone was annoyed that I was skeptical of the particle's existence and mentioned gain of function labs. Do you think they are manufacturing these particles and then they have no effect?

It's speculative and I need to do more research on these labs. But that's another area where people believe in viruses as pathogens. It's not a logical argument, that if the labs exist the virus exists. But it's something people mention often.

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Brian's avatar

Yes, it is a common question posed. Gain of Function could mean engineering proteins that do specific things, target specific organs, etc. The question of the role of venom in this research is interesting, but not conclusive. For more on this see the work of Dr.. Ardis.

The benevolent angle on GOF suggests they are doing this to help treat diseases that are still major problems. The malevolent angle suggests they are making bioweapons to reduce the population, perhaps target specific groups of people etc. I don't see any evidence of either at this point, except the quackcines are harming and/or killing a subset of those who take them. Yes, deaths and illness are higher than usual, but the world population is still increasing. If 'they' are attempting to reduce the population the evidence for that so far is weak or it is still too early to see the full effect.

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jazzyj's avatar

Yeah, if they had this technology why wouldn't they have used it by now? There was no excess death as far as I know for Covid, compared to a flu. The injections on the other hand, I think those can hurt people.

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Petunia11's avatar

This is a REALLY FANTASTIC argument!!! Such GREAT INFORMATION!!! Thank you!

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Brian's avatar

Thanks Ray, the more voices we have questioning and discussing this, the closer we are to the tipping point.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Brian, it is a good day to find someone with your well-meaning intellect!

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